Sunday, 13 January, 1991 
      
       ME: Hullo, Richard; how are you?
 
  
      
     C: Very well, thank you.  And you?
 
  
      
       ME: Okay, I guess.  As you can tell, I don't feel easy about this 
  dialogue business.  I don't quite know why, because the earlier 
  conversation-style journal seemed quite natural and easy.  Perhaps with just 
  the two of us, instead of the multiple parts of my personality, plus God, and 
  all the rest, it now seems a little bit too intimate, as if things are too 
  bare now, and I don't have all those personalities like the rational mind, the 
  optimist, the adult, the spirit, and all the rest, to hide behind - just you 
  and me, in all our psychological nakedness.  I think I feel a little 
  uncomfortable about that.
 
  
      
     C: Well, if it would help you, I suppose you could go back to that format.
 
  
      
       ME: No, it doesn't seem right for what I am doing now.  Another thing - 
  when I addressed you as Richard, it seemed as fake as anything could be.  I 
  did it out of nothing more than politeness, as if you should address someone 
  by name at least when you first meet them, if not later on. 
     
       Perhaps you were right in what you said when I started this journal about 
  your not really having a name.  In any case, I'm not at all sure that I can 
  use the name Richard naturally and spontaneously.
 
  
      
     C: That's all right.  You can change that if you like.  Better to change 
now before any particular method of addressing me has become partly habitual, 
rather than trying to change in midstream later on.
 
  
      
       ME: What do you think I should do?
 
  
      
     C: Well, I guess you could do anything you like.
 
  
      
       ME: Well, I was just thinking to myself, "What am I referring to you as? 
  - I don't mean when I talk to you, but rather when I label the pieces of 
  dialogue to identify the speaker".  I refer to myself as "ME", which means 
  either just "me", or is short for "Michael Edwards"; however, I have referred 
  to you as "C", which stands for "counsellor". 
     
       Notice that I didn't put "R" for "Richard"; maybe "Richard" just didn't 
  seem a natural description of you.  Since "C" for "counsellor" originally 
  occurred to me quite spontaneously when I started this journal, without my 
  even having to think about it, I just wonder if I should call you 
  "Counsellor", and be done with it.  Having a name like "Richard" seems a 
  little childish somehow, a bit like having a pet name for an imaginary 
  companion.  Do you know what I mean?
 
  
      
     C: I think I get the general idea; however, I'm not here to judge such 
matters as being childish, or anything else.  If you want to call me 
"Counsellor", there's no reason why you shouldn't do that.  Why not try it, and 
see if it comes more naturally?  If it does, it may stick, and might even become 
an almost affectionate designation.  I believe that titles can occasionally 
become quite intimate between humans, in a certain way.
 
  
      
       ME: Well, I don't know.  This does seem to be a difficult problem. 
     
       Even names of people can cause me difficulty sometimes.  Sometimes I find 
  with certain people that I feel uneasy with their name, and don't use it, and 
  I don't even know why sometimes. 
     
       Sometimes it happens when the name is unusual.  For instance, I had a 
  friend called V----, whom I haven't seen for quite a while now; however, I 
  was in regular contact with him for over 10 years.  Despite that, I never felt 
  easy using the name "V----"; I never really got used to it.  I used it, but 
  probably not as often as I would have if it had been a more conventional name. 
     
       Of course, I am aware that he once had a more conventional name before I 
  got to know him, but I don't think that's the reason I feel this way.  I mean, 
  I think of him as V---- T----, not T---- P---- S----, but I just don't 
  feel easy about the name "V----", and if that had always been his name, I 
  think my feelings would be the same.
 
  
      
     C: Is it that you somehow don't think "V----" is a real name, like 
"T----" or "P----" are?
 
  
      
       ME: Well, yes; V. wouldn't like to hear this, but I think there is 
  that kind of feeling to some extent.  But I feel that shouldn't be relevant; 
  what is or isn't a real name is just a matter of convention anyway, and for 
  all I know "V----" might be a real, ordinary name in France or Italy, for 
  instance. 
     
       But in any case, if someone wants to be called "V----", they should have 
  the right to be; and because of that, I think my feelings are a bit 
  irrational.
 
  
      
     C: Feelings often are; there's no need to worry about that too much.
 
  
      
       ME: Well, I'm not really worrying over it; since the subject of names 
  came up, I'm just telling you my thoughts on the subject. 
     
       But occasionally I get that same feeling of uneasiness with a name even 
  if the name is more ordinary.  I'm thinking of the man in a pizza shop where I 
  sometimes go to have a hamburger.  His name is Jim, or Jimmy - or at least I 
  have heard one or two other people call him Jimmy, even though he has never 
  himself told me what his name is.  But I can't seem to call him that - I don't 
  know if it's because he himself hasn't told me his name (which may be merely 
  because he thinks I already know it), or if it's because "Jimmy" with the 
  diminutive "-my" suffix seems a little too intimate for me to use, or whether 
  it's for some other reason.  But it seems to be true that I am reluctant to 
  use a person's name until I know him or her quite well. [a]
 
  
      
       ME: Well, yes, it does rather, because it must seem jolly unfriendly and 
  distant and cold not even to use a person's name, and I don't mean to come 
  across like that.
 
  
      
     C: Does it bother the other people that you don't use their name, or don't 
use it often enough?
 
  
      
       ME: How would I know?  They don't usually show it in any way, but they 
  would be too polite to say anything or imply anything about it.  I can only 
  hope that if they do notice it, they merely put it down to some odd quirk of 
  mine, and that they know from my general manner otherwise that I am friendly 
  and considerate enough. 
     
       After all, I am not bothered if people don't use my name; in fact, I 
  don't like my name at all really - neither my Christian name nor my surname, 
  but especially my Christian name.  So I don't at all mind, or even notice, if 
  someone doesn't use my name, and I hate having to introduce myself to another 
  person by saying my name. 
     
       For all that I dislike my Christian name, I nevertheless - and this is 
  the funny bit - prefer to be called "Michael" than "Mr. Edwards", which makes 
  me feel about ninety, or - even worse - "Sir".  And these last two forms of 
  address I do hear occasionally from shop attendants of the old-fashioned type 
  who know what politeness is.  But the fact is, "Mr. Edwards" and "Sir" make me 
  feel uneasy.
 
  
      
     C: Why do you think that is?
 
  
      
       ME: I still don't feel adult somehow, despite being painfully aware of 
  the years that have passed, and of the fact that the best part of my youth is 
  well and truly behind me, and "Mr." and "Sir" are conspicuously adult 
  forms of address.  I think I have too many eccentric and even immature ways to 
  really seem properly adult, with the dignity that implies.  Despite 
  half-hearted efforts to keep this, if not exactly hidden, at least under some 
  semblance of control, I think it shows.
 
  
      
     C: If you could look into the private thoughts and lives of the many 
adult-appearing people all around you, I wonder if you would not seem so 
different after all in comparison.  Just something to think about; it may be 
possible that you are too self-conscious of your own demeanour.
 
  
      
       ME: I don't think so; I think there is a real difference.  However, I 
  wasn't really meaning to get into that in a big way just now.
 
  
      
     C: Why don't you like your Christian name?
 
  
      
       ME: It's difficult to know why; I just don't.
 
  
      
     C: Is it because of its meaning?
 
  
      
       ME: I don't think so; it means, I believe, something like "He who is like 
  God", which is not a very accurate description of my nature. [b] 
     
       But I don't think it's that that bothers me, because most names have a 
  meaning, and they hardly ever apply to the person himself, or if they do, it's 
  purely by accident, because I bet lots of people in christening their children 
  don't even know what the name means.  And if it were the meaning which 
  were relevant, well, I've heard of names whose meanings I like a lot less 
  than the meaning of my own name. 
     
       No, I'm not at all bothered by having a name whose meaning refers to God 
  like that; I just don't like the name itself.  Perhaps, because of its 
  life-long association with me, it seems to summarize what I am, and what I am 
  I don't like very much.
 
  
      
     C: Have you ever thought of changing your name?
 
  
      
       ME: Oh, some years ago, I occasionally considered it, perhaps influenced 
  by discussions with V., who is a numerologist, and who changed his own 
  name for numerological reasons.  But I couldn't seem to think of any other 
  name that I could commit myself to, and I don't think I ever really believed 
  in numerology anyway.
 
  
      
     C: Well, what about forgetting numerology, and just changing your name 
because you would prefer another name?
 
  
      
       ME: It still leaves the matter of what other name would I prefer?  
  Even if I forget about whether the new name has to add up to this or that 
  numerological total, I still can't seem to think of any other name I like 
  sufficiently. 
     
       In any case, this was years ago.  Even at the time, the idea of changing 
  my name was never more than an idle thought, and since then it hasn't even 
  been an idle thought, and I don't think it is likely to be in the future, 
  either. 
     
       And also, it appears possible that the basic problem is not liking 
  myself, rather than not liking a name.  The name itself is a quite ordinary 
  respectable name in objective terms, and not liking it seems merely to be a 
  symptom.  If that is so, I would probably come to hate the new name in time, 
  unless I could come to like myself.  And if I can do that, I should be able to 
  accept my present name with ease.
 
  
      
     C: Well, I suppose that's worth keeping in mind.  What about your surname? 
- you said you didn't like that much either.
 
  
      
       ME: Yes; but I don't feel as strongly about that.  A surname is only a 
  surname, and by its nature is more distant and impersonal.  Once again, it's a 
  perfectly ordinary respectable name, neither outlandishly strange nor too 
  common and plain.  It's generic, rather than personal, and it's a family name 
  - and therein may lie the problem. 
     
       I'm a bit of a black sheep in my family; I have nothing whatever in 
  common with my immediate family members - that is, my parents and brothers - 
  and never have had.  I don't think like them, I don't have anything like the 
  same attitudes to life, and I'm not particularly close to them, and have even 
  had quite bad patches with some of them, both recently and in the remote past.  
  All this gives the family associations I don't entirely like, and I just lack 
  a kinship with the family.  Even when I seem to get on all right with them, 
  there's a distinct remoteness, like a barrier between us, and the relationship 
  seems superficial.  I guess my surname just calls that to mind, and sort of 
  sums it up. 
     
       I know I'm a bit in the dog-house at the moment with them over losing my 
  temper on Christmas Day, and while that may have just now reminded me of those 
  thoughts, I don't think it has influenced them, because all those thoughts 
  about the family are things I have believed for many years, regardless of any 
  moment-to-moment feelings that may come and go. [c] 
     
       Anyway, regardless of that, I am not at all considering changing any of 
  my names, if that's what you were suggesting.
 
  
      
     C: No, I wasn't suggesting that at all; I was just inducing you to think 
about it.  Since you initially expressed unease at using a name you had assigned 
to me, it appeared that there were several aspects of names that you felt 
uncertain about, and I was just inducing you to focus on it a little.
 
  
      
       ME: It appears that we manage to conduct our conversation quite well 
  without either of us using names of any sort.  Well, I suppose with only two 
  of us, there can be no room for ambiguity.  How do you feel about names?
 
  
      
     C: I don't have any problem with names.  In our first conversation about a 
year ago, I told you my attitude to any name as applied to me.  I have no 
objection to your own name, and if in the transcript of our conversation I don't 
appear to be using it, I would suggest that it may be because when I convey my 
thoughts to you, they get filtered through your mind to some extent, despite 
your undoubtedly honest attempts to represent them accurately, and if your mind 
is used to refraining from using the name "Michael", I suppose the name gets 
filtered out from what I say.  Maybe one day this will not be so; meanwhile, it 
probably doesn't matter, and I accept that.
 
  
      
       ME: I guess you're right.  Why, if I ever meet someone called "Michael", 
  as I have on a few occasions, even if I feel friendly to him, I am absolutely 
  unable to address him by name at all, even to the point where it must appear 
  quite rude.  I don't mean to be rude, but I can't seem to help it, and I 
  wonder if this might be enough to make it very difficult to make friends with 
  someone possessing my own name.  I often wonder how other people feel when 
  talking with someone with their own name.
 
  
      
     C: I imagine that a whole variety of reactions takes place with various 
people.
 
  
      
     C: Anyway, why did you come to me and start this session?  It's been just 
over a year since our first conversation, during which you don't appear to have 
needed to speak to me in this manner, and I feel there must a specific reason 
you have started another.
 
  
      
       ME: Yes, I suppose there is a reason.  When I started this journal a year 
  ago, I was going to continue more or less regularly, if not every day.  But I 
  guess the burden of actually sitting down and writing or typing my thoughts 
  down is what stopped me.  And you would have to write or type for quite a long 
  time to get anything substantial down.
 
  
      
     C: Could I suggest another approach to this matter?  It appears that you 
have the idea that for it to be worthwhile to have a session with me, it should 
be "substantial", as you put it.  Burdened with that idea, it is not surprising 
that, so far, you have only managed to do it once every year. 
     
     Why not just have the idea that you can come here at any time and share any 
thoughts you may have, trivial or important, big or little, and just discuss it 
in a free-and-easy way, without any particular expectations?  Just come and 
spend 5 minutes here, if that's all you feel like, or have time for on a 
particular occasion. 
     
     Surely we know each other well enough, and understand each other well 
enough, to be able to do that without any obligations being created on either 
side.  It's not a matter of having to spend a certain amount of time with me for 
fear of offending me by being too brief. 
     
     And 5 minutes a day, or every few days, would probably cover as much ground 
as several hours once every few months or once a year.  And if it doesn't cover 
as much ground after all, it doesn't matter; we're not engaged in a race or 
competition of any sort.
 
  
      
       ME: Anyway, my reason for coming to see you now - well, before I get onto 
  that, it occurs to me that we still haven't dealt with my original reason for 
  starting this journal last year.  You will remember that I didn't deal with it 
  then; I decided to just spend that session getting to know you.
 
  
      
     C: Yes, that's right.  But is that initial reason still important?
 
  
      
       ME: Well, I suppose it's less important, anyway; it doesn't seem to 
  matter, although it did at the time. 
     
       It concerned an old friend of our family, Shirley R., who is a yoga 
  teacher, and involved in spiritual or consciousness-type matters - what, for 
  want of a better term, you might call "New-Age" thinking.  I talk about such 
  things with her from time to time, despite my scepticism in recent years. 
     
       She did a "Reiki" on me a few times, and it was in connection with one of 
  these that I started this journal.  I don't really understand this "Reiki" 
  business, but I gather it is a method by which Shirley can somehow get in 
  touch with my "higher self", and ask it questions relating to my life, and she 
  can then tell me what she found out.  This can only be done if my higher self 
  consents to it, which it apparently did, so an invasion of privacy is not 
  involved.
 
  
      
     C: Do you still feel it is important to go into this now, a year later?
 
  
      
       ME: No, not really.  Not in depth, anyway; I just want to briefly clear 
  it out of the way.
 
  
      
     C: I wonder if that is necessary; still, go on, if you want.  It's up to 
you what you want to share with me.
 
  
      
       ME: I don't even remember the details of this Reiki very well (as Shirley 
  later related it to me), except that Shirley got the idea (presumably from my 
  higher self) that I somehow wanted to escape from certain difficulties in my 
  life (and I still think that can be a completely reasonable and rational thing 
  to want to do), and that the reply she got from my higher self, sounding (to 
  me, anyway) like the voice of doom itself, was to the effect that "THERE IS NO 
  WAY OUT, NO ESCAPE".  Just from the way Shirley said it, and the context she 
  put it in, I could hear the capital letters in every word, and it scared me a 
  bit - at least to the extent that I believe in this sort of thing anyway, 
  which I don't think I do all that much.  Because of this scepticism, I suppose 
  I wasn't seriously scared. 
     
       But in any context, it is a bit unnerving to get messages like this, 
  regardless of how many doubts you may have about their authenticity.  Perhaps 
  it's just as well I have what I call a healthy scepticism, because if I 
  totally believed in these sorts of things, I think some of this stuff could 
  get a bit heavy at times.  New-Age philosophy may lack the hellfire and 
  brimstone and judgement stuff of orthodox Christianity, but with its 
  reincarnation and 
  karma philosophies, I think in its own way it can get a bit 
  too gloomily laden down with the voice of doom, and I don't like it. 
     
       If the evidence for it compelled me to believe it, I would accept it 
  regardless of my feelings about it, but the evidence doesn't so far compel me, 
  so I am not (until then) inclined to go out of my way to accept something 
  which I find so gloomy and frightening. 
     
       I make no bones about the fact that if I get interested in the spiritual 
  pathway, it is because I want it to do me good; if following the spiritual 
  pathway is going to cause me much difficulty, pain, and heartache, I am not in 
  the least interested.  I have enough difficulty already, as things are; I 
  don't need more, for the sake of pursuing spiritual truth.  If at times I do 
  seem interested, it is only because at that time I feel there is a chance it 
  may help make life easier in some way.
 
  
      
     C: Well, I think it's good that you can talk about it honestly, anyway.
 
  
      
       ME: I try to be honest about it.  I have certain prejudices, but on the 
  whole I don't consider myself particularly pro-New-Age, nor do I feel 
  particularly antagonistic to it. [d]  But I think there are severe doubts about 
  it, which can't (and shouldn't) be brushed aside for the sake of "having 
  faith" or "transcending logic in order to open up to your intuition", or 
  anything like that.  The same goes for orthodox Christianity too. 
     
       In fact, if there is a universal philosophy or truth, I do not believe it 
  has yet been discovered, and I have no indication that either orthodox 
  Christianity, or so-called "New-Age" philosophy, is any closer to Truth than 
  the other.  In fact, I have never come across any religion or philosophy that 
  comes anywhere near embodying the understanding and compassion that I would 
  expect (or at least hope) the ultimate truth would encompass. [e] 
     
       Christianity has in its favour the idea of forgiveness, which I consider 
  an expression of compassion, of letting a person put wrongdoings or mistakes 
  behind him, without the pointless exercise of making things balance up for the 
  sake of the balancing-up itself, in an eye-for-an-eye fashion; [f] but it is 
  blighted with the grovelling concept of humans as "miserable sinners" in 
  relation to God, and, even worse, the outrageous (when you think of it without 
  preconceptions) idea that non-believers in Christ (however that is to be 
  defined) suffer eternal punishment, or separation from God and heaven.  (The 
  exact concept of hell varies widely, but the factors always present are that 
  there are no valid excuses whatsoever for unbelief, that hell is exceedingly 
  unpleasant, and that it is forever.) 
     
       However, things are a bit different with the other, New-Age, view.  It 
  has a healthier view of the status of humans (none of the miserable-sinner 
  stuff), and there is no eternal damnation; but on the other hand, the karma 
  concept seems to me to insist on an eye for an eye, a tooth for a tooth (I 
  have heard it worded in many ways, sometimes very subtly, but this is what it 
  seems to boil down to when you remove the excess verbiage and rhetoric of some 
  writers and philosophers), and in this view, forgiveness and compassion can't 
  have much meaning - in fact, I think they contradict the concept of karma.  
  And the extracting of an eye for an eye doesn't undo the original wrong it 
  is supposed to be balancing up for.  It simply adds yet more suffering to the 
  world, which is an immorality that I find difficult to justify. 
     
       So, as you can see, I am not much impressed with either of these 
  contrasting views of life - the Christian, or the other, sometimes called 
  (presumptuously, in my opinion) the "perennial philosophy".  (I regard this 
  description as something yet to be proved, not something to be assumed from 
  the outset.)
 
  
      
     C: Well - you obviously have thought a great deal on these matters, and 
have certain views on them.
 
  
      
       ME: Yes; over the years, I think I have thought into these things quite 
  deeply, even if I have ended up at odds with both of these contrasting 
  orthodoxies.  I'm sort of in the middle, finding things about both that are 
  simply unacceptable to me - both morally unacceptable, and personally 
  unacceptable. 
     
       I probably don't think about these things quite so much now as I once 
  did, as it never leads anywhere but to a lot of agonizing over the 
  unanswerable problems of life.  I don't think there is an answer to the 
  tragedies and evils of life - at least, not that I've ever thought up myself, 
  or heard or read elsewhere - and I think I've probably read or heard most of 
  the conventional answers to it, both Eastern and Western. 
     
       I think the closest to an acceptable answer I have ever encountered 
  (leaving aside atheism for the moment, which I sometimes find frighteningly 
  plausible, although not emotionally acceptable) is in Rabbi Harold Kushner's 
  book When Bad Things Happen To Good People, although even that is laden 
  down heavily with reservations and qualifications of all sorts.  In a sentence 
  or two, his view is that God is too loving to ever wish or condone the 
  tragedies that befall people.  In fact, he hurts with us.  But perhaps he is 
  not completely omnipotent, and is unable to prevent the things that happen.  
  But he will do what he can to help us if we will let him.  I don't know if 
  this is plausible or not, but it is slightly more emotionally acceptable than 
  many of the other attempts to answer the problem of evil.
 
  
      
     C: Well, you certainly got involved with expressing your views there.  That 
was quite a soliloquy; I think you almost forgot I was here, and just wrote for 
yourself.
 
  
      
       ME: Yes, I suppose so; maybe I've got a lot of stuff out of me now.  Not 
  that I can say that getting stuff out has the therapeutic, releasing effect 
  that many people speak of so much; that seems to me to be a bit overrated.  I 
  mean, one may enjoy sounding off about something, but if something 
  troubles or hurts me, sounding off doesn't stop it hurting, or even just make 
  it hurt a bit less. 
     
       Anyway, I didn't really mean to go into all that stuff.  I was originally 
  talking about the Reiki that motivated our first conversation a year ago.  
  However, I think I am sufficiently spent on that, and perhaps we don't need to 
  go into that any further. 
     
       In any case, as I said before, I don't even remember the details of what 
  Shirley told me about it, other than what I've already said.
 
  
      
     C: Meanwhile, what about the reason for this session?  Do you want to 
go on to that now?
 
  
      
       ME: I want to go on to it; but not now, thanks.  I must go to bed (the 
  sky is already light), and get some sleep.  Perhaps after that, or within the 
  next day or two.  I hope I don't put that off another year, like I did with 
  the Reiki thing. [g]
 
  
      
     C: Well, if you do put it off for another year, I don't want you to 
think that is wrong in any way.  If that is what you want to do (even if the 
decision is reached only by default, simply by failing to decide to deal with it 
earlier), that is all right with me.  However, I hope we can manage to get 
together a bit more often than that.
 
  
      
       ME: Yes, I hope so; or at least I think I do.  I still can't quite 
  get over the idea that these conversations are an artificial thing, not real, 
  that even you are nothing more than the product of my own rational mind.  Well 
  of course that's true at least to some extent; but I hope it can at least 
  partially lead to the reaching of something beyond.  However, it doesn't seem 
  that way yet.
 
  
      
     C: I suppose that feeling of it all being somehow artificial may take time 
to get over.
 
  
      
       ME: I guess so.  Meanwhile, thank you for your time and understanding.  
  Because I don't think you are merely some part of myself (even if you may be 
  partly that), I don't think I would be showing undue conceit if I were to 
  say I find you more understanding and tolerant than I find many other people 
  in this world.
 
  
      
     C: Thank you for your time, and your trust in me.  Meanwhile, good-bye 
until a later time.
 
  
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